tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post9126539716749007327..comments2024-01-17T13:16:10.378-08:00Comments on Joseph4GI: CIRCUMCISION DEATH: Yet Another One (I Hate Writing These)Josephhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14190648498809795551noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-44501658617007238212013-03-11T05:09:16.023-07:002013-03-11T05:09:16.023-07:00I think more than enough has been said about this ...I think more than enough has been said about this unfortunate tragedy, and the time has come bring the comments to a close.<br /><br />Thank you all for your readership and participation in this discussion.<br /><br />~Joseph4GIJosephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14190648498809795551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-41607270877897932752013-03-11T05:01:09.710-07:002013-03-11T05:01:09.710-07:00I think it is a mistake to place the onus of respo...I think it is a mistake to place the onus of responsibility on parents, because it is doctors who are supposed to be professionally responsible.<br /><br />Yes,the parents sign the consent form. The doctors get their authority from parents.<br /><br />But what are doctors doing offering a needless surgery to parents in the first place?<br /><br />What other non-medically necessary surgery can doctors offer to parents and absolve themselves using the self-same consent form they use for circumcision?<br /><br />Could doctors perform sunat on a baby girl and get away with it because they got parents to sign a consent form?<br /><br />All female genital cutting is against federal law. Could such a doctor point to the parents, bear the signed consent form and say "They, those nasty parents made me do it?"<br /><br />I do believe soliciting non-medically necessary procedures to parents or even patients themselves is the very definition of charlatanism.<br /><br />How is it on parents for failing to have the knowledge that doctors do not give them?<br /><br />Whose professional obligation is it to know better and to disclose the facts?<br /><br />Without medical or clinical indication, can a doctor be performing surgery in a healthy, non-consenting individual, much less be eliciting any kind of "decision" from his parents?<br /><br />And if the answer is yes, is there a limit?<br /><br />Or is the only item on that list, "circumcision?"Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14190648498809795551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-13070957529069896902013-03-11T00:25:52.579-07:002013-03-11T00:25:52.579-07:00Dear Darin,
Please accept my condolences for you...Dear Darin, <br /><br />Please accept my condolences for your family's great loss. Our daughter recently blessed us with a grandchild and I could only try to imagine what your family must be going through at this very difficulty time. <br /><br />I have read much about your family's tragedy over the past few days and these are my first words on the matter, written with great hesitation. <br /><br />For intactivists, speaking out to warn others about the risks and harms of circumcision is nothing more than the moral equivalent of acting to prevent a stranger's child from running into traffic or falling into a swimming pool. It is an attempt to prevent harm befalling a vulnerable child. It's the kind of thing that people of good heart and conscious feel compelled to do. <br /><br />The difference and the difficulty here is that some parents perceive information pertaining to the risks and harms of partly removing a child's penis as a direct challenge to their parental authority or as an unwelcome intrusion into the private affairs of the family. In many cases, people are grateful to receive this important information, which generally happens a lot easier if they're not from a circumcising culture, like America. <br /><br />For several years now, I have spoken out publicly and privately to warn others on the risks and harms of circumcision, having suffered great harm from a circumcision that was completely unnecessary and entirely unwanted. I have been researching this issue for decades and am comfortable in the accuracy of these generalizations. <br /><br />1) For boys -- and the men they are destined to become -- circumcision is always harmful, sometimes results in serious injuries and occasionally death. That babies die from circumcision is not in dispute, only the number of deaths is ever disputed. <br /><br />2) Circumcision advocates are invariably motivated by financial reward, attempting to preserve a cultural/religious tradition or darker sexual motives. <br /><br />3) Parents (proxy) consenting to circumcision surgery are well intentioned, but mostly naive to the value and important functions of the normal penis and the reality of circumcision involves. Those who do discover truth after the fact may either stridently defend their decision to circumcise or are shocked at what they consented to and become deeply remorseful, thereby becoming victims of the business of circumcision themselves. Some choose to speak out publicly, including people like 'America's Doctor' Dr Dean Edell (who happens to be Jewish), who's one of the vocal opponents of circumcision, having allowed some of his own sons to be circumcised. <br /><br />I am beyond outraged at the medical and scientific fraud behind the promotion of this profoundly unethical practice. Slowly by surely, the truth is being exposed. It makes me dreadfully sad that more babies will be harmed, more will be seriously injured and more will die before the doctors are forced to stop cutting the genitals of male healthy babies, but at the same time encouraged that the end of this ghastly practice is in sight. <br /><br />Again, I'm very sorry for your family's loss. <br /><br />Kind regards,<br />James Mac<br />Melbourne, Australia James Machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06405441795197845937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-48369717604371459442013-03-10T17:56:16.769-07:002013-03-10T17:56:16.769-07:00It is parents who sign on the "Consent Form&q...It is parents who sign on the "Consent Form" on the dotted line. The doctors have no authority to perform the unnecessary procedure without the parents giving permission. I agree the parents do so without being truly informed but that is on them that they give permission for something they are not informed on or educated on. We must go beyond what a doctors says and truly be informed. Informed Consent is required to perform any medically necessary surgery on a person. This falls to the parents. The problem is that the doctors use the same consent form for a non medically necessary surgery (circumcision) and so everyone thinks the doctors have done their job. When is someone going to file suit against a doctor or doctors for performing non medically necessary surgery on a person without "their" consent. Parents only have a right to elect medical care that is medically necessary not "preferred". RDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14673459611387121881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-54168051376293858622013-03-10T17:38:35.181-07:002013-03-10T17:38:35.181-07:00They never check for hemophelia first. The medica...They never check for hemophelia first. The medical professionals refuse to recognize the real ethical issues around routine infant circumcision: their oath "Do No Harm" (violated with every non medical circumcision), no real information provided parents ie. video showing procedure with sound, doctors don't mention death as a risk, and doctors and medical facilities profit from the foreskin sales. If this death were caused by a high chair, crib, toy, blanket, clothing etc. there would be a recall of the product but somehow our society accepts death from circumcision as an acceptable and reasonable result. A baby's life is only valuable up to circumcision and then circumcision trumps the baby. What a complete fail as parents, doctors and society. One death is too many, this practice should be recalled immediately as would any other cause of a baby's death.RDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14673459611387121881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-65079799568770801232013-03-10T16:51:10.386-07:002013-03-10T16:51:10.386-07:00He would still be alive if it weren't for the ...He would still be alive if it weren't for the needless surgery. If you can say that then it is obvious circumcision was the cause of death. You can grieve but lets get back to reality here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-85565101072443766392013-03-10T15:44:23.505-07:002013-03-10T15:44:23.505-07:00Yeap...
Victim politics.
The point of the game i...Yeap...<br /><br />Victim politics.<br /><br />The point of the game is to see who can be seen as the victim first.<br /><br />Never take your eye off the ball though.<br /><br />The victim will always have been poor Brayden, and the perpetrators the ones who hold knives.<br /><br />It is not us who stand to gain from seeing the forced genital mutilation of healthy, non-consenting minors continue.<br /><br />We gain absolutely nothing from children being allowed to keep their whole bodies, not to mention their LIVES.Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14190648498809795551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-14711555948922496052013-03-10T15:36:51.677-07:002013-03-10T15:36:51.677-07:00This is so sad. The pro-cutters are going to be t...This is so sad. The pro-cutters are going to be the vultures in this situation. They will launch a crusade, saying how the intactvist cult went after the Fraziers unmercifully, when all they wanted was to mourn the loss of their baby. We'll be made out to be the bad guys, when all we wanted was for that poor little boy to pull through, even though his ignorant parents cared more about what his penis looked like than his well being.<br />We don't have an easy task being intactivists. We're David and the pro-cutters are Goliath. But in the end, David beat the giant, and we must continue through the muck of being called horrible names, so that we can throw that final rock to bring down Goliath. Only then will all babies be safe against unnecessary genital surgery.<br />To Darin and Brayden's parents? Get off the internet and stop trolling Facebook, yelling at those of us who shared photos of your angel. Mourn that poor baby. Hire a lawyer and see what you can do about his unnecessary death. But please, stop blaming us...and please do not give the pro-cutters even more ammunition to use against us. They do the real harm. We're merely trying to stop the damage being done.Judithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14034193953889565815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-26906235930865511152013-03-10T14:51:48.619-07:002013-03-10T14:51:48.619-07:00Is it fair, sir, that a child died as a result of ...Is it fair, sir, that a child died as a result of a needless surgical procedure?<br /><br />A man publicly asks for prayers, because in his own words, his grandson would not stop bleeding after his circumcision. From his own account, the child was already having trouble healing from minor wounds.<br /><br />Now he calls us "liars," and accuses us of raising false testimony, because we repeat his original statements which he made public, instead of going along with his new revised version on the events.<br /><br />It appears Brayden's grandfather is more interested in preserving a comforting fantasy, instead of considering that his grandson died needlessly, and holding those who caused his death responsible.<br /><br />I understand that families need time to grieve. But don't you dare preach to me about what is "fair" and my sense of decency.<br /><br />What happened to this family was tragic, but we are not the authors of their grief. Don't forget the true victim here was little Brayden.<br /><br />I'm sick and tired of people trying to paint this family as victims, and we the perpetrators.<br /><br />This would have never happened if American doctors had the DECENCY to stop performing needless surgery on otherwise healthy, non-consenting minors.<br /><br />We wouldn't be here if we knew babies weren't dying as a result of circumcision, and doctors weren't trying to save their own skins.<br /><br />As long as this keeps happening, I will keep reporting it on my blog, as unpopular as it may be.<br /><br />It is silence that keeps perpetuating the lie that circumcision is "harmless."<br /><br />No I will not keep silent.<br /><br />If speaking out on behalf of the weak and defenseless is "unfair" and it makes me "indecent," then so be it.Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14190648498809795551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-60353469582723147302013-03-10T13:32:52.370-07:002013-03-10T13:32:52.370-07:00For goodness sakes, Joseph. From reading your repl...For goodness sakes, Joseph. From reading your replies to Brayden's Grandfather, you seem to have lost your sense of decency. Try and put yourself in the shoes of before you considered yourself an intactivist, when you thought the matter of circumcision really was an issue for parents to decide... (if you can).<br /><br />Naturally, screenshots and accusations are going to do nothing but make him think everyone against circumcision is as rude and unthoughtful as I see you are being. It's true, we are not here to win any popularity contests, but try and consider how people are feeling when you phrase your arguments, and know when to pick and how to fight your battles. You're doing nothing here, AFAIAC, than taking advantage of people in the height of their grief. <br /><br />Yes, it appears the doctors were probably negligent, but stop trying to pick apart Mr. Frazier's statements like he's a hostile witness. He lost his grandson, he's trying to hold things together for his family. Stop being an ass in the face of grief. Your arguments may be based on sound reasoning and be well meant, but this is not the place, and this is not the time.<br /><br />Let them grieve, and let them do so without being made to feel any more guilty then they might feel or to feel any more pain. Take your anger elsewhere. You're not being fair.<br /><br />Who reads this stuff anyway?https://www.blogger.com/profile/17135869780690686827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-48681425651244206422013-03-10T12:33:45.911-07:002013-03-10T12:33:45.911-07:00I've already posted it below, so I'm just ...I've already posted it below, so I'm just cutting and pasting.<br /><br />Remember that those who are professionally responsible for making a "good" or "poor" judgement aren't the parents. It's doctors who are paid the big bucks for the important judge of determining the medical value of a surgical procedure.<br /><br />Sure, parents make decisions.<br /><br />But the bottom line question is always this:<br /><br />Without medical or clinical indication, how can a doctor even be performing surgery on healthy, non-consenting individuals, let alone be giving parents any kind of a "choice?"<br /><br />Even if the parents "wanted it," how could doctors comply to do it to a child who is in very fragile condition?<br /><br />More about the circumcision "blame game" in this blog post:<br /><br />http://joseph4gi.blogspot.jp/2012/12/the-circumcision-blame-game.htmlJosephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14190648498809795551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-88850892285390514202013-03-10T12:29:26.111-07:002013-03-10T12:29:26.111-07:00"They and Brayden's medical team in Lodi ..."They and Brayden's medical team in Lodi showed unbelievably poor judgment, enough for the doctor who circumcised Brayden to be struck off (lose his or her license)."<br /><br />Hold on there Eric.<br /><br />Remember that those who are professionally responsible for making a "good" or "poor" judgement aren't the parents. It's doctors who are paid the big bucks for the important judge of determining the medical value of a surgical procedure.<br /><br />Sure, parents make decisions.<br /><br />But the bottom line question is always this:<br /><br />Without medical or clinical indication, how can a doctor even be performing surgery on healthy, non-consenting individuals, let alone be giving parents any kind of a "choice?"<br /><br />Even if the parents "wanted it," how could doctors comply to do it to a child who is in very fragile condition?<br /><br />More about the circumcision "blame game" in this blog post:<br /><br />http://joseph4gi.blogspot.jp/2012/12/the-circumcision-blame-game.htmlJosephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14190648498809795551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-9345199883590104692013-03-10T12:22:27.410-07:002013-03-10T12:22:27.410-07:00A valid question is: how would the family have rea...A valid question is: how would the family have reacted if a doctor had said, "This child must not be circumcised. The risks are too high, and he doesn't need a circumcision."<br /><br />Would the parents have then relented in their intent to have Brayden circumcised? Or would they have still said that circumcision of their son was important to them? Did his parents even raise the question of circumcision, or did the doctor(s)? In most cases, it is not the parents who first bring up circumcision.<br /><br />But if Brayden's parents were focused on a way to have their son circumcised against the odds, then they really have no basis for saying "stop inquiring about this death". it is essential public knowledge.<br /><br />I agree that every legislator, state health administrator, and even Governor Brown needs to know about this death following circumcision. In particular, Mike Gatto must be told, "This is what your legislation did."Eric Stonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16025129606969574769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-8891815263901065482013-03-10T12:11:20.091-07:002013-03-10T12:11:20.091-07:00s/b "Brayden" there at the end.s/b "Brayden" there at the end.Eric Stonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16025129606969574769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-82257615729951387382013-03-10T11:12:20.363-07:002013-03-10T11:12:20.363-07:00PS: Adding to my earlier comment, blame for this c...PS: Adding to my earlier comment, blame for this child's death also needs to go the California politicians who masterminded and pushed through Bill AB768.Bonobo3Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05937870574691578171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-44667102955183870932013-03-10T11:06:53.778-07:002013-03-10T11:06:53.778-07:00Brayden's family freely, freely, freely chose ...Brayden's family freely, freely, freely chose circumcision. He had no medical condition that required that his foreskin be cut off. Circumcision in the newborn period is unnecessary and does not make a child healthier.<br /><br />However, circumcision does put tremendous stress on any newborn's organs, particularly the heart, lungs and brain. Even healthy children have a hard time with circumcision, but Brayden's doctors and parents knew that he was at significantly elevated risk, even mortal risk, from any procedure. Yet they went ahead with one that put maximum stress on his struggling body.<br /><br />Many parents are apprehensive about circumcision and are relieved when their son comes through it OK. But what result do they actually have? Nothing more than a son missing some of his penis. And sometimes a crippled or dead son missing some of his penis. Faith that circumcision is "safe" and "healthier" doesn't make either of those so.<br /><br />Brayden's family wants "respect" and "privacy". However, their disastrous decision has public consequences (i.e., a coroner's report) and needs to become part of the body of evidence that infant circumcision poses unacceptably high risks. If they deny this, it becomes part of the endless circle of concealment: parents proceed with circumcision because they haven't heard of any adverse outcomes, then when they themselves experience an adverse outcome they move to erase it. So the next family doesn't know, and believes circumcision is safe.<br /><br />Unless circumcision was an essential, life-saving intervention on Brayden, I cannot respect or even ignore the family's actions. I will never say they killed their child. I do say that they were uninformed, irrational and reckless. They and Brayden's medical team in Lodi showed unbelievably poor judgment, enough for the doctor who circumcised Brayden to be struck off (lose his or her license).<br /><br />"Please leave us alone" is the worst possible tribute to Jayden Frazier's death. It fails millions of future boys.Eric Stonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16025129606969574769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-25373340335489633292013-03-10T11:01:56.894-07:002013-03-10T11:01:56.894-07:00Joseph,
I hope you will understand where I'm ...Joseph,<br /><br />I hope you will understand where I'm coming from when I say you are not going to win any debates about the ethics of forced circumcision with Mr. Frazier on this page. Obviously this family is deeply grieving and perhaps also feeling some guilt with this baby's death.<br /><br />There is of course a natural tendency to place blame whenever there is a death from circumcision. Remember the recent death of a baby J.H? The mother blamed herself loudly and clearly on her own blog, then quickly removed all her public postings and changed her tune. The hospital and the doctors however didn't take blame, they shifted responsibility around and ultimately the blame was placed on the baby, his previous "condition" was to blame.<br /><br />I suspect the same thing is already happening to this family. The hospital will have contacted their own lawyers to make sure they all their "ducks are in a row" so that they are not legally liable. They will most certainly be prepared to state (not now to the family's face, but later if necessary in court) that "they didn't advise circumcision, the family wanted it."<br /><br />These cases don't generally go well in court. Remember the case of the boy in Alaska who was severely neurologically damaged from circumcision? Now in a wheelchair and needing life long care? That hospital conveniently "lost" the child's medical records.<br /><br />Remember the case of David Reimer? <br /><br />etc.<br /><br />So you are not going to win any debates here with Mr. Frazier nor should you try. The best you can offer is help, advice, perhaps encourage him to contact a lawyer, someone like David Llewellyn of Atlanta, who has handled circumcision damage and death cases. Perhaps Charles Bonner of the Bay Area. Perhaps they could advise this family of where they might take this case, if and when they are ready to seek justice for their child. <br /><br />Ultimately the blame rests with the doctor who took a scalpel to the healthy genitals of a child, particularly an infant who was already having a struggle with life. The blame rests with the hospital that profits financially from offering "circumcision" as an extra, without educating parents on the anatomy of normal genitals and the benefits of keeping the child whole. <br /><br />The blame most certainly rests with the American Academy of Pediatrics who recently stated that the benefits of circumcision outweigh the risks. In the face of this child's death that is a lie that must be exposed.<br /><br />Some families have won millions of dollars in wrongful circumcision lawsuits, though the families of boys damaged severely by Mogen clamps will never likely see any of that money, the company that produced that torture device went bankrupt.<br /><br />Money can never replace a penis severely damaged or ablated or bring back a baby that has died. But it is a commodity the hospital (which is in business) can understand and it is a commodity the AAP (which is a trade organization) can understand. Right now circumcision of baby boys is a cash cow for the American medical community, the victims get swept under the rug, blame is placed covertly upon the parents and the people responsible slink away and continue their business.<br /><br />Perhaps if the family subjected to this atrocity can see how they are bing victimized by the medical community there will be a way to find some legal justice for them.<br /><br />James Loewen<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Bonobo3Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05937870574691578171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-20094693848931080512013-03-10T10:35:09.066-07:002013-03-10T10:35:09.066-07:00I am so sorry for the loss of your grandson but I ...I am so sorry for the loss of your grandson but I will never understand sweeping the truth under the rug? Your grandson was taken because of Dr's money hungry negligence! I bet they only were told the "benefits" of removing the foreskin and not the risks, what the foreskin is or the benefits of keeping it, why? To fit their agenda and now you're playing into their hands by not speaking out and saving another family this heartache!<br /><br />Brayden's death should not be in vain! We all saw your status updates, most of us as you updated ,and there is no denying the truth...If this was my story I would never shut up about the negligence of those Dr's and the murder of my son. You are protecting the wrong side!Donna77https://www.blogger.com/profile/02288381742643572269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-5391368209197655422013-03-10T08:37:18.742-07:002013-03-10T08:37:18.742-07:00I feel very sad for this baby's loss.
The AAP...I feel very sad for this baby's loss.<br /><br />The AAP statement on circumcision indicates that circumcision should only be performed on healthy and stable babies. This part of the statement is routinarily ignored by American doctors, it has come to my attention in the last couple of months that all too often babies in the NICU, babies with heart conditions, and in this case, babies with clotting conditions, are still being considered fit for circumcision by the doctors and undergone the procedure with the parents' blessing.<br /><br />Unfortunately this is a recipe for disaster, and this disaster just occurred here. <br /><br />If this baby had a bleeding disorder or an infection, and had not been circumcised, he might have had a better chance for survival. Circumcision is a physical injury, an open wound. The procedure itself is traumatic, and doing it to a baby with a health condition can make the condition worse.<br /><br />I wish that this family may find closure and heal from this tragic event.<br /><br />Please know that refusing to see that the doctors acted wrong in allowing his circumcision, is only going to cause similar grief to more families in the future. Doctors need to understand that this procedure should not be performed on babies with underlying health conditions -the AAP said it themselves. Neglecting this only causes grief.dreamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14708824168962037873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-86995747245777595842013-03-10T07:30:19.519-07:002013-03-10T07:30:19.519-07:00When the newspaper reports an incident, it's c...When the newspaper reports an incident, it's considered news that the general public should be aware of, but because this isn't the website of a newspaper, whatever news the author has to share should just be kept to himself, I suppose? The culture here is so pro-routine infant circumcision that most deaths resulting from it won't make the news. You're more likely to hear about near deaths and accidental castrations than deaths or circumcisions botched less severely. Don't you think the general public should be aware that their sons could die as well? Many doctors don't even mention the risk of death. Let's not ignore the deaths. It could be your child. Without articles like this, you may not have ever been aware of the risk of death from circumcision.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-56909169798781048832013-03-10T07:17:35.716-07:002013-03-10T07:17:35.716-07:00(Continued.)
I read that boys are more likely to ...(Continued.)<br /><br />I read that boys are more likely to suffer from hemophilia than girls, and boys have a 50% chance of getting it from their mothers if they're carriers. I have a son. He's only six months old, but ever since I heard about your grandson, I keep thinking that could have easily been my boy. His father had his first son circumcised. For him, it was just something you did. Where I was born and where I grew up both have very low rates of circumcision, and it is not offered for babies. They are largely Christian countries though, so that may have something to do with it. Until my husband and I discussed it, he didn't know it wasn't widely practiced everywhere. He was also the type to just do whatever the doctor recommended, and most American doctors still recommend circumcision.<br /><br />Nothing I have said has been with the intention to hurt you or make you feel bad. I didn't even know about Brayden's tragic last days until he had already passed. Even so, when a baby boy is circumcised, I assure you that I never hope for his death. I sit on the sideline and wait and hope for good news. Generally, no news is good news. I feel relieved and move on. The reason you may think of us as "vultures" is because the deaths go viral, but this happens because people, like myself, are furious when babies die from this. Had it been an organ transplant or something else required to live a long, healthy life, people would understand fully that it was a necessity. Coming from two intact countries, I know that routine infant circumcision is not medically necessary. I believe it is as popular as it is in America because parents aren't being told that it can (and does sometimes) result in death. The medical establishment needs to be held accountable for ignoring the deaths. These aren't just numbers. These are people. Perhaps one of the boys who died would have been the next president, or my son's best friend, or my son-in-law. They need to make sure every parent understands that even though the risk of death is low, it doesn't mean it won't happen to their son. They should make sure parents are fully able to understand and accept that before they sign the consent form.<br /><br />Please, please, please, contact David J. Llewellyn. http://www.thecircumcisionlawyer.com/ You don't have to tell anyone if you do. Just tell him about your grandson and ask him what his opinion is. I know you don't know me and you probably even want to do the opposite of what I'm asking you to do just because I'm an intactivist, but please don't think of me when you do it. Please just think of your grandson. It couldn't hurt to get this man's opinion, and he's not just any lawyer. He has handled several circumcision lawsuits. He will be able to tell you if malpractice was involved. I'm not asking for an update. I'm not asking you to report back to me or anyone else. Just privately chat with him, and I really hope your family finds some peace of mind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-57361548407840236402013-03-10T07:16:45.001-07:002013-03-10T07:16:45.001-07:00Mr. Frazier,
I'm very sorry for the loss your...Mr. Frazier,<br /><br />I'm very sorry for the loss your family has experienced. I consider myself an intactivist, but I have not personally shared anything about your grandson. I can imagine how much it hurts to see others discussing what happened to him when you never intended to share that information with them.<br /><br />All that being said, after reading what you've posted here, I really urge you to turn your focus to the doctors. I'm not saying this because I'm an intactivist. I'm saying this because it's obvious to me that your grandson healed slowly as I do. A needle prick for you stops bleeding pretty quickly, I assume? So you know what normal clotting/healing is like? What do you think would cause greater blood loss, a needle prick in a muscle or a cut made through veins? If you watch an educational circumcision video, you find out that they clamp parts of the penis specifically to crush the veins to minimize bleeding. (You can google it if you'd like.) With Brayden being a slow healer though, it may not have been quite that simple.<br /><br />I had a wound for a month that had constant pressure applied to it (gauze packed between the wound and my cast), and when they opened the "window" in my cast, the gauze fell off and blood started pouring out of it. Meanwhile, a needle prick won't take even one day to stop bleeding. It varies, but on average, it's okay in an hour. So I do have some clotting factor. I just never had such a large wound before (or after). Do you kind of see the point I'm making? If he was slow to heal, a bigger wound in his skin, and cutting through veins, was exactly the wrong move for a doctor to make. Did they even tell you that there is a risk of death from circumcision in perfectly healthy baby boys (whose surgeries were performed by doctors in a sterile environment)? I know the numbers are small, but consider this. Your grandson's death certificate will not say the cause of death was circumcision, nevermind that without such a large wound on such a small body with already observed slow healing, he may have just gone to the doctor again, the infection would have been discovered, he would have had antibiotics, and been fine. How many other babies are dying as a direct result of their circumcisions while their deaths are blamed on their pre-existing conditions? Ask the doctor what percentage of people with hemophilia who do not undergo surgery die in infancy.<br /><br />(Continued below.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-71289788952929879982013-03-09T23:34:12.478-08:002013-03-09T23:34:12.478-08:00Darin,
I hope you read this.
Our problem isn...Darin,<br /><br />I hope you read this. <br /><br />Our problem isn't that you circumcised your son.<br /><br />Our problem is with the medical community that is all to eager to cut baby boys. So eager, that they overlook signs that could have prevented your grandson's death.<br /><br />Our problem is with a culture that is so worried about what their son's penis looks like that one of the first things that people do when they have a child that is male is to circumcise him. <br /><br />Our problem is that deaths are all to common from circumcisions. <br /><br />Our problem is that doctors tell you things like he would have died in his sleep had we not found out about his condition by circumcising him. <br /><br />Our problem is that when parents and families loose children to circumcision they feel so guilty that they go into a state of denial to ease the pain of their loss. They don't fight for other babies, who will die in the future, just like theirs did. <br /><br />Our problem is that circumcision on perfectly healthy genitals is legal in this country. <br /><br />Our problem is we need you on our side to fight for babies like yours, but you don't see the problem as a problem.<br /><br />You have our deepest sympathies. <br /><br />And when your pain starts ease from your loss, we will still be here.<br /><br />Fighting.<br /><br />For babies just like Brayden. Because we are the voice for the voiceless. <br /><br />We are the ones who will fight till every baby boy is born into a world where they're safe.<br /><br />Join us.<br /><br />Please.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06631174683647062267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-34809693201601321342013-03-09T23:27:50.383-08:002013-03-09T23:27:50.383-08:00Honestly.....my heart goes out to this family........Honestly.....my heart goes out to this family.....no one should have to go through something tragic like this. That said, it makes me cringe to see the attacks on those who are concerned about a baby that died after he was circumcised without a medical need to do so. No one wants to further a "cause"....... that is not the focus.....this is about acknowledging a very possible medical negligence that caused the death of a newborn infant. If this grandfather really believes that people who have involved themselves in this incident that was posted publicly on Facebook.....have caused MORE pain than the medical professionals that proceeded with an unnecessary genital alteration surgery on an infant regardless of the "signs" that pointed to some sketchy decisions to proceed, well then, I don't know what to say! Gather your attorney friends....gather them.....BUT put them to work investigating the medical professionals that allowed this to happen. Don't waste your anger and hurt on people who don't deserve it......go after those who are responsible! Yes, you lost a precious baby whose death may have been prevented......focus on that fact and go forward with your investigation. That is how you can come to terms with what has happened.....and when it is all said and done....just maybe other infants might be spared as a result of your actions. Please choose the right actions for Baby Braydens sake.Marehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02459075868394984956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-88642250484246419992013-03-09T23:21:13.305-08:002013-03-09T23:21:13.305-08:00What the fuck!?!? Im not against circumcision, or ...What the fuck!?!? Im not against circumcision, or for it. But not checking to see if the baby was a hemophelic before is just blatant incompetance and requres a criminal investigation. <br /><br /><br />You have my condolences.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03196937866635250233noreply@blogger.com