tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post4164005547997599744..comments2024-01-17T13:16:10.378-08:00Comments on Joseph4GI: Circumcision is Child Abuse: A Picture EssayJosephhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14190648498809795551noreply@blogger.comBlogger79125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-14217316542211778662017-09-03T12:34:41.928-07:002017-09-03T12:34:41.928-07:003. Vaccines are recommended by every respected med...3. Vaccines are recommended by every respected medical organization around the world. In contrast, not a single medical organization recommends male infant circumcision based on the existing medical literature. In the case of the AAP, they stopped short of a recommendation in their 2012 statement, stating paradoxically that "while the benefits ouf circumcision outweigh the risks, they are not great enough to recommend it."<br /><br />Some babies may react negatively to vaccines, sometimes resulting in their death, but for some reason the AAP and every other respected medical organization recommends them, in contrast with circumcision. By your myopic self-serving standard, vaccines should not be recommended for every child either.<br /><br />Go on, you should write to the AAP and every other respected medical organization around the world to complain.<br /><br />You should start a blog and write about it.Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14190648498809795551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-81502261303694918982017-09-03T12:30:11.455-07:002017-09-03T12:30:11.455-07:00It is a horrible example because it is devastating...It is a horrible example because it is devastating to your insistence that male infant circumcision is a universal practice amongst Jews. There is nothing more devastating to this claim than the very fact that the person who is considered to be father of the modern state of Israel refusing to circumcise his own son.<br /><br />With this, your claim is set to rest, and that is why you don't like this example.<br /><br />Given your past posts, I don't think there will be any good example I can give you, as you are always going to find some flaw in the examples I give.<br /><br />There are more examples of Jews speaking out against male infant circumcision here, though I'm sure the entire list is flawed too somehow.<br /><br />http://tinyurl.com/y8hwgafd<br /><br />Have a nice day.Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14190648498809795551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-16148503150649961732017-09-03T12:27:17.682-07:002017-09-03T12:27:17.682-07:00If you have any doubt about what this blog is abou...If you have any doubt about what this blog is about and what my cause is, read the above statement again.<br /><br />Have a nice day.Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14190648498809795551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-19370620959533046392017-09-03T12:26:44.068-07:002017-09-03T12:26:44.068-07:00I will post my mission statement one more time, ju...I will post my mission statement one more time, just for good measure.<br /><br />The foreskin is not a birth defect. Neither is it a congenital deformity or genetic anomaly akin to a 6th finger or a cleft. Neither is it a medical condition like a ruptured appendix or diseased gall bladder. Neither is it a dead part of the body, like the umbilical cord, hair, or fingernails.<br /><br />The foreskin is not "extra skin." The foreskin is normal, natural, healthy, functioning tissue, present in all males at birth; it is as intrinsic to male genitalia as labia are to female genitalia.<br /><br />Unless there is a medical or clinical indication, the circumcision of a healthy, non-consenting individuals is a deliberate wound; it is the destruction of normal, healthy tissue, the permanent disfigurement of normal, healthy organs, and by very definition, infant genital mutilation, and a violation of the most basic of human rights.<br /><br />Without medical or clinical indication, doctors have absolutely no business performing surgery in healthy, non-consenting individuals, much less be eliciting any kind of "decision" from parents, and much less expect to be reimbursed.<br /><br />Genital integrity, autonomy and self-determination are inalienable human rights. I am against the forced circumcision of healthy, non-consenting minors because it violates these rights.<br /><br />Genital mutilation, whether it be wrapped in culture, religion or “research” is still genital mutilation.<br /><br />It is mistaken, the belief that the right amount of “science” can be used to legitimize the deliberate violation of basic human rights.Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14190648498809795551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-51867781018705797302017-09-03T12:25:39.620-07:002017-09-03T12:25:39.620-07:00I will stay my question.
Do you advocate for proc...I will stay my question.<br /><br />Do you advocate for procedures that are equal to, or less severe than male infant circumcision?<br /><br />If you do, then you are a sympathizer for genital mutilation, and you picked the wrong blog to troll.<br /><br />You like splitting hairs, but it will do you no good here, as I oppose the forced genital cutting of ALL healthy, non-consenting persons regardless of sex or religious creed of their parents.Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14190648498809795551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-81325036219706498812017-09-03T12:24:30.712-07:002017-09-03T12:24:30.712-07:002. Vaccinations have been proven to strengthen the...2. Vaccinations have been proven to strengthen the immune system against pathogens that cause serious diseases.<br /><br />I'm afraid that circumcision does not effect the immune system in any way whatsoever. Once a pathogen enters the body, being circumcised makes absolutely no difference.Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14190648498809795551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-68145387209555356302017-09-03T12:24:16.476-07:002017-09-03T12:24:16.476-07:00You keep trying to lump in circumcision with vacci...You keep trying to lump in circumcision with vaccinations, but there are many reasons why this is fallacious.<br /><br /><br />1. Vaccinations do not remove any part of the body, unlike circumcision, where a chunk of flesh is removed from a child's penis, altering its appearance, shape, texture, mechanics etc. for life.<br /><br />As this is the last time I'm going to address this in these comments, I will go into detail.<br /><br />Circumcision removes a piece of flesh that amounts to approximately 3x5 inches in an adult male, admittedly this is different, being greater or lesser in different males. This is a double fold of flesh that folds in on itself, creating a movable sheath that males can retract back and forth. Intact males often use this sheath to masturbate, and this sheath facilitates sexual intercourse. In circumcised males, depending on the degree of flesh removed, the skin on the shaft often becomes immobile, necessitating the need for lubrication during masturbation and sexual intercourse.<br /><br />Circumcision externalizes what is supposed to be internal mucosal tissue. Examples of internal mucosal tissue include the inner part of the mouth past the lips, the inner part of the eye-lid past the eye lashes, the inner part of the anus, the inner part of the nose past the nostrils etc. Circumcised males report being constantly irritated by the abrasive texture of clothing when walking, being active in sports, or just standing, much to the effect that some companies make specialized underwear for circumcised males.<br /><br />Circumcision causes the glans and surrounding mucosa to be dried out, permanently necessitating the need for lubrication for males when they masturbate and/or engage in sexual intercourse. In intact males, the foreskin keeps the glans and surrounding mucosal areas moist and supple eliminating the need for artificial lubrication. As a result of this drying out, the glans and surrounding areas gain a gray, leathery appearance, whereas these tend to be smooth and shiny in intact males.<br /><br />Circumcision results in the keritanization of what was supposed to be internal mucosal tissue, that is dead skin cells begin to accumulate on the mucosal tissue of the glans and remaining mucosal tissue surrounding it, desensitizing the organ by a factor of 4 according to the Sorrells study. As a result, circumcised males must work harder to achieve the same pleasure during masturbation and sex. Circumcised males are recorded to be extra rough with themselves when they engage in masturbation, and partners of circumcised males report that sex is much more painful with a circumcised partner, as they tend to thrust deeper and harder than their intact counterparts.<br /><br />In contrast, vaccination doesn't remove or alter any physical part of the body.Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14190648498809795551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-54918189229916560822017-09-03T12:23:49.098-07:002017-09-03T12:23:49.098-07:00I'm going to repeat myself one more time, and ...I'm going to repeat myself one more time, and then I will stop allowing your posts on this topic. You are now crossing into trolling territory, you are wasting my time, and space on this comment section. You have had enough time and space to say your piece.<br /><br />I admit that parents must often make decisions for their children without their concent. This is an inevitable part of life.<br /><br />However, there is a line that must be drawn, as children aren't chattel for parents to do absolutely everything they want with them. Children grow up and become their own persons, capable of making their own decisions and choices, and crosses over into abuse when a parent limits the choices for their children as adults.<br /><br />If there is medical necessity for a surgical procedure, then it is a doctor's duty to discuss this with parents, and it is inevitable that parents must make a decision on behalf of the child.<br /><br />Where there is no medical necessity, parents cannot command a doctor to perform any other surgery. Reserving surgery as a very last resort is standard medical practice governing all other forms of surgery, and doctors have the professional duty to refuse to perform surgery that is not medically indicated.<br /><br />Under any other circumstance, reaping profit from performing non-medical surgery on healthy, non-consenting individuals constitutes medical fraud.Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14190648498809795551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-17802291326580497342017-09-03T10:08:59.611-07:002017-09-03T10:08:59.611-07:00Theodor Herzl was a horrible man who never admitte...Theodor Herzl was a horrible man who never admitted to the Armenian Genocide. I didn't find much about his thoughts on circumcision but he is a horrible example to bring up. Tenuod888https://www.blogger.com/profile/08929725111635044751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-46625506688568607422017-09-03T09:01:28.987-07:002017-09-03T09:01:28.987-07:00Well seeing as some people have made the claim tha...Well seeing as some people have made the claim that they are same, I wanted to just put out it out there that they are different. <br /><br />Removing labia at birth is also an impossible task. Something also being a bit larger does not mean they are not equivalent. Female prepuce is tiny yes hence why it is harder to remove. <br /><br />Now why would you say that? I already stated that I am not for circumcision for all babies. You also won't get people to listen to you if you say things like that, you can have your opinion but when you say things like that, it just shows me that you want to just call other people names. Never a good idea. I have seen other people say parents who vaccinate are also child abusers which I am against vaccines but I will never say that to parents. Tenuod888https://www.blogger.com/profile/08929725111635044751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-24862857184560579902017-09-03T08:53:04.551-07:002017-09-03T08:53:04.551-07:00Vaccinations are done without consent and permanen...Vaccinations are done without consent and permanently alter their bodies. Vaccinations also do not cause an uproar like circumcision. More people are on board so it makes it easier to recommend immunization. <br /><br />Babies who are weak do die because they cannot go into another procedure so hence they cannot recommend it and should not. Many babies are born with some type of abnormality so they really can't take another procedure. Tenuod888https://www.blogger.com/profile/08929725111635044751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-13382300614558136412017-09-03T08:45:37.638-07:002017-09-03T08:45:37.638-07:00Circumcision is practiced by most Jewish people wh...Circumcision is practiced by most Jewish people which makes it a universal practice in Judaism. Ron Goldman did not conduct a study nor did he source where he got that from. That resource center is made of people who are against the practice so it is not a representation of Jewish people in general. <br /><br />It would be dishonest to claim that it's not a common practice in Jewish people. Also, there are people who associate circumcision being awful in connection with Jewish people and I have seen it many times on social media. Tenuod888https://www.blogger.com/profile/08929725111635044751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-46250536021335680072017-09-03T05:21:55.388-07:002017-09-03T05:21:55.388-07:00Also noteworthy; Theodor Herzl (1860–1904), the fo...Also noteworthy; Theodor Herzl (1860–1904), the founder of Zionism and the spiritual father of the state of Israel, disapproved of circumcision and refused to do it to his own son.Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14190648498809795551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-30882439478913835722017-09-03T00:35:55.905-07:002017-09-03T00:35:55.905-07:00I thought this quote and link would be relevant he...I thought this quote and link would be relevant here:<br /><br />"Currently, circumcision is not universal among Jews either inside or outside the United States. The Circumcision Resource Center, a nonprofit educational organization, knows of hundreds of Jews in Europe, South America, and in the United States who either have not or would not circumcise a son. Even in Israel some Jews do not circumcise, and there is an organization that publicly opposes circumcision."<br />-Ron Goldman - "Circumcision: A Source of Jewish Pain"<br /><br />http://tinyurl.com/yc97jcmuJosephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14190648498809795551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-16026499556988451912017-09-03T00:30:17.559-07:002017-09-03T00:30:17.559-07:00Attempts to call intactivists "anti-Semites&q...Attempts to call intactivists "anti-Semites" necessarily rely on the three assumptions I've mentioned.<br /><br />I bring them up to address your veiled attempt at pulling the anti-Semite card above.<br /><br />Yes, I understand that circumcision is important for fervent orthodox adherents of Judaism.<br /><br />No, circumcision is *not* universal amongst all Jews, though I admit that it is still common for the majority of Jews around the world to have their male infants circumcised.<br /><br />Yes, some of the most outspoken voices in our movement happen to be Jewish.<br /><br />I invite you to read more about this here.<br /><br />http://tinyurl.com/yabahz76<br /><br />You say "We cannot just go on your personal friends who like you, are in a circle who also probably are against circumcision."<br /><br />Shall I go by people like you, who are most likely an advocate of it?Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14190648498809795551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-22710601676117164692017-09-03T00:27:25.413-07:002017-09-03T00:27:25.413-07:00The question I keep asking, but you seem to keep s...The question I keep asking, but you seem to keep studiously avoiding is, does it matter?<br /><br />When you are forcibly cutting off a normal, healthy piece of tissue from a healthy, non-consenting person, does it really matter what part it is, and/or whether it is not the equivalent in the opposite sex?<br /><br />I'll ask again, would you advocate for the forcible removal of the clitoral hood, because that's its direct equivalent in the male penis?<br /><br />You would be OK with that?<br /><br />If you would, I'm not sure what else to say to you.<br /><br />You are an advocate of child abuse and the gross violation of basic individual human rights.Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14190648498809795551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-21301301124530948312017-09-03T00:26:06.493-07:002017-09-03T00:26:06.493-07:00No one made the claim that both tissues are exactl...No one made the claim that both tissues are exactly the same, merely similarly equivalent, as both the labia and the prepuce can be seen as "extra" and "disposable."<br /><br />The male foreskin is many times larger than the female prepuce. Therefore when you compare the equivalent removal in both sexes, male circumcision is more severe.<br /><br />I'm not sure what your point is, as you seem to defeat your own purpose in trying to minimize male infant circumcision.<br /><br />A more equivalent procedure to male infant circumcision would be the removal of the labia, as that constitutes more flesh than the mere sliver that the female prepuce is.<br /><br />Yes, a lot of babies undergo medical procedures, the key difference here being that, contrary to male infant circumcision, there is medical or clinical necessity.Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14190648498809795551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-30440943187321483672017-09-03T00:16:48.807-07:002017-09-03T00:16:48.807-07:00Again, that's not the reason the AAP stops sho...Again, that's not the reason the AAP stops short of a recommendation. They do so because, as they say in their own statement, "the benefits of circumcision are not great enough."<br /><br />You fail to address, or deliberately ignore that, while they don't recommend circumcision for all babies, they do recommend vaccines for all children, even the ones that, as you yourself bring up, might react badly from them.<br /><br />And, by the way, doctors will circumcise babies with heart complications anyway. When the babies die, they blame the heart condition.<br /><br />When babies die from circumcision, doctors always scramble to blame everything except the obvious; the fact the child endured elective, non-medical procedure with known risks.Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14190648498809795551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-87333657892461080372017-09-02T21:59:57.645-07:002017-09-02T21:59:57.645-07:00So they can't recommend it to every baby seein...So they can't recommend it to every baby seeing that it is not life or death situation, they just cannot recommend it to every baby. If they did they would have to recommend it to a baby with heart complications who is too weak to undergo circumcision. <br /><br />Who said it is only unique to Jewish people? I never did. <br /><br />I said circumcision is important for Jewish people and it is, most Jewish people around the world practice it. There are many Jewish people in Eastern Europe as well and it is very important for them. It's a huge part of their culture based on common knowledge. I never said every single Jewish person. We cannot just go on your personal friends who like you, are in a circle who also probably are against circumcision. I meant more so worldwide and common understanding of their culture. <br /><br />Thanks. Tenuod888https://www.blogger.com/profile/08929725111635044751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-59731318275804973812017-09-02T21:52:33.397-07:002017-09-02T21:52:33.397-07:00But both being tissue does not mean they are same ...But both being tissue does not mean they are same seeing as labia is different from prepuce. The male foreskin is not the same size but it is more equivalent to the female prepuce. A lot of babies undergo medical procedures though. Tenuod888https://www.blogger.com/profile/08929725111635044751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-30688388449336574932017-09-02T20:09:00.525-07:002017-09-02T20:09:00.525-07:00Of course, this is irrelevant splitting of hairs:
...Of course, this is irrelevant splitting of hairs:<br /><br />Forcibly cutting off ANYTHING from a healthy, non-consenting individual constitutes medical fraud, abuse, and a gross violation of basic human rights.Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14190648498809795551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-75090569914475900182017-09-02T20:07:47.509-07:002017-09-02T20:07:47.509-07:00The labia is about the same as the foreskin, being...The labia is about the same as the foreskin, being vestibular skin that a female can live without and still function sexually etc..<br /><br />Yes, females also have a prepuce, equivalent to the male foreskin.<br /><br />Compared side-by-side, the male foreskin is a large chunk of flesh compared to the sliver of the female prepuce.<br /><br />You must also note that its removal is still called "mutilation" despite being its direct equivalent to the foreskin in males.<br /><br />See pictures for comparison here:<br /><br />http://tinyurl.com/yabahz76Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14190648498809795551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-16083997914007586152017-09-02T20:02:07.465-07:002017-09-02T20:02:07.465-07:00But that's not the reason they stopped themsel...But that's not the reason they stopped themselves from recommending it, Tenu. In their policy, it says quite clearly that the reason they could not bring themselves to do it was because "the benefits," which supposedly "outweigh the risks," aren't great enough.<br /><br />Oddly enough, they recommend vaccines for everyone.<br /><br />Isn't it strange...<br /><br />Let me make it clear again for you; perhaps I lack the articulation skills:<br /><br />1. Circumcision is not unique to Judaism. The great majority of circumcised males in this country are not Jewish.<br /><br />2. Circumcision is not universal among Jews; while those who lean to the orthodox way of doing things still cling to male infant circumcision, there are also Jews who have abandoned the practice. If my Jewish friends from Europe and South America are to be believed, a great number of Jews there don't circumcise their boys. Jews clinging to circumcision tends to be an American and maybe even British thing.<br /><br />3. Some Jews go as far as speaking out against the practice, and are some of the most outspoken people in our movement.<br /><br />I write more extensively about this here:<br /><br />http://tinyurl.com/y8hwgafdJosephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14190648498809795551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-43185666589330431252017-09-02T19:42:24.408-07:002017-09-02T19:42:24.408-07:00There is no way they can recommend it to every bab...There is no way they can recommend it to every baby, such as a baby who is premature. That baby would most likely not make it. What they say is "benefits outweigh the risks" and that they cannot recommend it to every baby which is similar to what other countries say. <br /><br />Of course it's not just a Jewish practice but it is still a common practice in Jews around the world. Many Jewish celebrities proudly say they circumcised their child. Many Jewish communities don't view Brit Shalom as being accepted except for those against the procedure who make it clear. I also didn't mean it's just in Jewish people seeing as many non-Jewish people also practice but I meant more so where it is well known. Tenuod888https://www.blogger.com/profile/08929725111635044751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-71239396481033779562017-09-02T19:32:33.660-07:002017-09-02T19:32:33.660-07:00I was noting basic anatomy differences. The labia ...I was noting basic anatomy differences. The labia is not equivalent to foreskin, I wanted to note that females also have prepuce. Tenuod888https://www.blogger.com/profile/08929725111635044751noreply@blogger.com